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		<title>Comment on How Government Funds Itself by Wrongful Wealth: Will Abuse in the Euro Zone Bring Down the World? &#187; Honest Inquiry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wrongful Wealth: Will Abuse in the Euro Zone Bring Down the World? &#187; Honest Inquiry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The real threat is not the collapse of financial institutions, but the threat of governments stepping in to resuce so called &#8220;to big to fail&#8221; insitutions.   Governments don&#8217;t have the money, so they will print it up via the central banks.  This will certainly lead to inflation, and perhaps hyper-inflation. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Paris Impressions by Vin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 01:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a decent number of non white policer officers in Paris, it is weird that you didn&#039;t see any. 
Myself I see several black police officers everyday, a bit less arab officers and sometimes some asian.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a decent number of non white policer officers in Paris, it is weird that you didn&#8217;t see any.<br />
Myself I see several black police officers everyday, a bit less arab officers and sometimes some asian.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Government Funds Itself by Central Banking for Dummies: How the Fed funds our debt, not China &#171; Economics Info</title>
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		<dc:creator>Central Banking for Dummies: How the Fed funds our debt, not China &#171; Economics Info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 07:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Majority Whip Clyburn dismisses Constitution by Claude Pagliarini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claude Pagliarini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 04:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joined my national Tea Party....getting active politically while I still have a voice! I have found a political web site that allows everyone to fax Lawmakers for free. If you are interested  in that kind of thing…check it out at http://AmericanVoice.Com.! Also awesome content I will come back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joined my national Tea Party&#8230;.getting active politically while I still have a voice! I have found a political web site that allows everyone to fax Lawmakers for free. If you are interested  in that kind of thing…check it out at <a href="http://AmericanVoice.Com." rel="nofollow">http://AmericanVoice.Com.</a>! Also awesome content I will come back!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Inequality as Usual by The BoBo Files &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The BoBo Carnival of Politics &#8211; October 11, 2009 Edition</title>
		<link>http://honestinquiry.com/inequality-as-usual/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>The BoBo Files &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The BoBo Carnival of Politics &#8211; October 11, 2009 Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] presents Inequality as Usual posted at Honest [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Majority Whip Clyburn dismisses Constitution by The October 2009 CCC Blog Carnival&#160;&#124;&#160;Naked Liberty</title>
		<link>http://honestinquiry.com/majority-whip-clyburn-dismisses-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>The October 2009 CCC Blog Carnival&#160;&#124;&#160;Naked Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Majority Whip Clyburn dismisses Constitution [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Liberals for Elitism by The October 2009 CCC Blog Carnival&#160;&#124;&#160;Naked Liberty</title>
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		<dc:creator>The October 2009 CCC Blog Carnival&#160;&#124;&#160;Naked Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Liberals are Elitists [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Is &#8220;end of life care&#8221; pro end of life? by The October 2009 CCC Blog Carnival&#160;&#124;&#160;Naked Liberty</title>
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		<dc:creator>The October 2009 CCC Blog Carnival&#160;&#124;&#160;Naked Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Everett presents the following articles,  posted at Honest Inquiry.  Is “end of life care” pro end of life? [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Majority Whip Clyburn dismisses Constitution by dilandinga</title>
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		<dc:creator>dilandinga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gG0vls I bookmarked this link. Thank you for good job!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Ending Minority Rule in California: One Sentence Can Do IT by Everett</title>
		<link>http://honestinquiry.com/ending-minority-rule-in-california-one-sentence-can-do-it/comment-page-1/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Everett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve taken these statements to mean he&#039;s blaming all California&#039;s problems on supermajority:

&quot;Minority rule has brought our state to near bankruptcy, causing crises throughout the state.&quot;

&quot;One sentence can end economic uncertainty and provide for an improved credit rating, for payment of our bills with money instead of IOUs, and will bring stability to our schools, nursing homes and universities. One sentence can make California a well-run state again.&quot;

&quot;Minority rule is closing California. State parks: closed. Schools: closed. Fire departments: closed. Nursing homes: closed. Medical clinics: closed. Libraries: closed.&quot;

If there are mitigating remarks, I missed them despite careful reading and re-reading, but would be glad to have the error pointed out. 

In fact he is just trying to push the progressive agenda:

&quot;Since the minority is a strongly conservative Republican minority, progressive Democrats running for the legislature in 2010 can run on a prodemocracy platform, placing the blame for gridlock where it belongs, on their opponents. The main question is whether we can run such a campaign successfully.&quot;

A web search will reveal many many liberal organizations suddenly rising to dispel the evil supermajority.  I say suddenly, because in 2008 the Democrats recommended changing the vote requirement for constitutional amendments (the type of vote needed to change supermajority) from the current simple majority, to...you guessed it, 2/3rds supermajority!  But wait there&#039;s more.  They suggested the requirement for constitutional amendments should be 2/3 majority vote in two consecutive elections!  Oh, but that was way back in &#039;08.  

So this fellow should be ignored completely. Pat, however, we should listen to.  It turns out 3 states have a 2/3 rule like California.  Would seem to me if 47 states use simple majority, there is little for California to fear and they should change.  It is certainly true it leads to delay, which isn&#039;t helpful or apparently necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve taken these statements to mean he&#8217;s blaming all California&#8217;s problems on supermajority:</p>
<p>&#8220;Minority rule has brought our state to near bankruptcy, causing crises throughout the state.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;One sentence can end economic uncertainty and provide for an improved credit rating, for payment of our bills with money instead of IOUs, and will bring stability to our schools, nursing homes and universities. One sentence can make California a well-run state again.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Minority rule is closing California. State parks: closed. Schools: closed. Fire departments: closed. Nursing homes: closed. Medical clinics: closed. Libraries: closed.&#8221;</p>
<p>If there are mitigating remarks, I missed them despite careful reading and re-reading, but would be glad to have the error pointed out. </p>
<p>In fact he is just trying to push the progressive agenda:</p>
<p>&#8220;Since the minority is a strongly conservative Republican minority, progressive Democrats running for the legislature in 2010 can run on a prodemocracy platform, placing the blame for gridlock where it belongs, on their opponents. The main question is whether we can run such a campaign successfully.&#8221;</p>
<p>A web search will reveal many many liberal organizations suddenly rising to dispel the evil supermajority.  I say suddenly, because in 2008 the Democrats recommended changing the vote requirement for constitutional amendments (the type of vote needed to change supermajority) from the current simple majority, to&#8230;you guessed it, 2/3rds supermajority!  But wait there&#8217;s more.  They suggested the requirement for constitutional amendments should be 2/3 majority vote in two consecutive elections!  Oh, but that was way back in &#8217;08.  </p>
<p>So this fellow should be ignored completely. Pat, however, we should listen to.  It turns out 3 states have a 2/3 rule like California.  Would seem to me if 47 states use simple majority, there is little for California to fear and they should change.  It is certainly true it leads to delay, which isn&#8217;t helpful or apparently necessary.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ending Minority Rule in California: One Sentence Can Do IT by Pat</title>
		<link>http://honestinquiry.com/ending-minority-rule-in-california-one-sentence-can-do-it/comment-page-1/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course California&#039;s ills are many and complex, and it
won&#039;t do to pin them all on supermajority legislative
requrements, if that is what Lakoff is attempting to do.
I have not followed California closely enough to have much opinion on the ongoing, and worsening,multiple
sources of its legislative/budgetary crises.

I have always had a problem with supermajority dictates
in spending matters, though. I think it is hard to get
around Lakoff&#039;s basic premise: why should one third of the legislature--or the electorate, in supermajority bond
issues--have what amounts to veto power over the wishes
of the (clear) majority? This stands majority rule on its
head. Does a 51% majority impose a heavy burden on the
49% in opposition? Yes, but that is a risk of majority
rule, whether in spending matters or choosing candidates.
That burder, however, is only more onerous when one
third or thereabouts of a body imposes its will on the
majority.
If Lakoff intends to blame all of California&#039;s governance
problems on supermajority rule that is undoubtedly grossly oversimplified, but I still agree with the indignation behind his premise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course California&#8217;s ills are many and complex, and it<br />
won&#8217;t do to pin them all on supermajority legislative<br />
requrements, if that is what Lakoff is attempting to do.<br />
I have not followed California closely enough to have much opinion on the ongoing, and worsening,multiple<br />
sources of its legislative/budgetary crises.</p>
<p>I have always had a problem with supermajority dictates<br />
in spending matters, though. I think it is hard to get<br />
around Lakoff&#8217;s basic premise: why should one third of the legislature&#8211;or the electorate, in supermajority bond<br />
issues&#8211;have what amounts to veto power over the wishes<br />
of the (clear) majority? This stands majority rule on its<br />
head. Does a 51% majority impose a heavy burden on the<br />
49% in opposition? Yes, but that is a risk of majority<br />
rule, whether in spending matters or choosing candidates.<br />
That burder, however, is only more onerous when one<br />
third or thereabouts of a body imposes its will on the<br />
majority.<br />
If Lakoff intends to blame all of California&#8217;s governance<br />
problems on supermajority rule that is undoubtedly grossly oversimplified, but I still agree with the indignation behind his premise.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Swiss Health Care Thrives Without Public Option by Everett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Everett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 04:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Pat, very interesting idea.  The cost benefit seems uncertain, but it certainly advances universal coverage.  Seems the bottom line is universal coverage would be paid for by requiring the uninsured to get insurance, the logic of that is uncertain to me.  Or maybe it is supposed to lower costs because the government is setting reimbursement rates?  The ratio of healthcare costs to per capita income is actually higher in Switzerland than here, not sure if that is really the question though.  Probably need to compare compensation rates by procedure to see if their system is driving out more costs.  The trouble with big picture healthcare cost measurements, like percent of GDP, is that more affluent nations across the board choose to spend more on healthcare.  That isn&#039;t a prima facia evil.  The real question is a cost comparasion of deliverables, like drug and procedures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Pat, very interesting idea.  The cost benefit seems uncertain, but it certainly advances universal coverage.  Seems the bottom line is universal coverage would be paid for by requiring the uninsured to get insurance, the logic of that is uncertain to me.  Or maybe it is supposed to lower costs because the government is setting reimbursement rates?  The ratio of healthcare costs to per capita income is actually higher in Switzerland than here, not sure if that is really the question though.  Probably need to compare compensation rates by procedure to see if their system is driving out more costs.  The trouble with big picture healthcare cost measurements, like percent of GDP, is that more affluent nations across the board choose to spend more on healthcare.  That isn&#8217;t a prima facia evil.  The real question is a cost comparasion of deliverables, like drug and procedures.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ending Minority Rule in California: One Sentence Can Do IT by Everett</title>
		<link>http://honestinquiry.com/ending-minority-rule-in-california-one-sentence-can-do-it/comment-page-1/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>Everett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat&#039;s call for majority voting may be valid, but this UC Berkeley Professor&#039;s case is not.  It is yet another example of astoundingly shoddy reasoning in public discourse, so pardon the tone of this comment but this sort of thing bothers me.

The arguments for and against super majority votes turn on issues like tyranny of the majority.  The argument for it tends to be along the lines that whatever is being proposed is sufficiently important/intrusive/disruptive that we must be all the more certain.  For example, should jury trials be decided by majority rule?  How about impeachment of the President?  The argument for supermajority in the case of spending legislation is that 51% can potentially impose heavy burdens on 49%.   I don’t have an opinion myself, but surely this is the sort of discussion the issue needs.

It does not need unfounded, thinly veiled partisanship.   The repeated assertions that California is on it’s knees because of the supermajority requirement is  simply that, an assertion.  He makes no argument whatsoever that one caused the other.  What about the massive financial disruption caused by energy trading that crushed California’s finances and led to the recall of it’s Governor?   California is in crisis because it’s tax revenue has dropped off a cliff.  Why?  Most commentary points to it’s regressive tax structure that doesn’t work when the rich are getting poorer, which they tend to do much faster than average in an economic downturn.   It also hurts when the rich leave, which they are doing in droves.  

Funny these things escaped his attention.   Perhaps  he will notice the bipartisan tax commission that released it’s recommendation to overhaul the tax structure yesterday.  At UC Berkeley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat&#8217;s call for majority voting may be valid, but this UC Berkeley Professor&#8217;s case is not.  It is yet another example of astoundingly shoddy reasoning in public discourse, so pardon the tone of this comment but this sort of thing bothers me.</p>
<p>The arguments for and against super majority votes turn on issues like tyranny of the majority.  The argument for it tends to be along the lines that whatever is being proposed is sufficiently important/intrusive/disruptive that we must be all the more certain.  For example, should jury trials be decided by majority rule?  How about impeachment of the President?  The argument for supermajority in the case of spending legislation is that 51% can potentially impose heavy burdens on 49%.   I don’t have an opinion myself, but surely this is the sort of discussion the issue needs.</p>
<p>It does not need unfounded, thinly veiled partisanship.   The repeated assertions that California is on it’s knees because of the supermajority requirement is  simply that, an assertion.  He makes no argument whatsoever that one caused the other.  What about the massive financial disruption caused by energy trading that crushed California’s finances and led to the recall of it’s Governor?   California is in crisis because it’s tax revenue has dropped off a cliff.  Why?  Most commentary points to it’s regressive tax structure that doesn’t work when the rich are getting poorer, which they tend to do much faster than average in an economic downturn.   It also hurts when the rich leave, which they are doing in droves.  </p>
<p>Funny these things escaped his attention.   Perhaps  he will notice the bipartisan tax commission that released it’s recommendation to overhaul the tax structure yesterday.  At UC Berkeley.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;End of Life&#8217; Care That Works by Nancy</title>
		<link>http://honestinquiry.com/end-of-life-care-that-works/comment-page-1/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some things are simple when folks begin
to think.</description>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;End of Life&#8217; Care That Works by Joker</title>
		<link>http://honestinquiry.com/end-of-life-care-that-works/comment-page-1/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Joker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure that this is true:), but thanks for a post.
 Joker</description>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;End of Life&#8217; Care That Works by Honest Inquiry &#187; Healthcare &#187; Is &#8220;end of life care&#8221; pro end of life?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honest Inquiry &#187; Healthcare &#187; Is &#8220;end of life care&#8221; pro end of life?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 9/30/2009 &#8211; Wisconsin solves the problem, this will make you feel better&#8230;End of Life Care That Works   Post Published: 02 September 2009 Author: Everett Found in section: [...]</description>
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		<link>http://honestinquiry.com/is-end-of-life-care-pro-end-of-life/comment-page-1/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Honest Inquiry &#187; Healthcare &#187; &#8216;End of Life&#8217; Care That Works</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] begs the question why couldn&#8217;t Britain&#8217;s government run health care get this right (see Is &#8216;end of life care&#8217; pro end of life)?  Mr. Gingrich suggests: We don&#8217;t think the politicians can ever fix this because the [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Liberals for Elitism by Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are too many examples of elitisim gone bad-liberal and conservative-to name. Let&#039;s briefly mention two: Kennedy&#039;s &quot;best and brightest&quot; who led us into Vietnam and Bush&#039;s &quot;dream team&quot;
foreign policy crew plunging us into the Iraq/Afghanistan imbroglio, trashing the Constitution
along the way.  Both examples flowed largely from a monumental arrogance refusing to admit 
even the possibility of error or mistake.

That  is the regrettable core of elitism. The elitist through education or other avenues comes
to believe that human frailties, biases, and limits to understanding don&#039;t really apply to him
or her. Again, I don&#039;t believe that either liberals or conservatives have cornered the market
on this particularly dangerous habit of mind, although as a liberal I think the conservative
variety of elitism has generally been more iniquitious in recent years, but that is another
subject.

So when anyone advocates government by elites, alarm bells should be going off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are too many examples of elitisim gone bad-liberal and conservative-to name. Let&#8217;s briefly mention two: Kennedy&#8217;s &#8220;best and brightest&#8221; who led us into Vietnam and Bush&#8217;s &#8220;dream team&#8221;<br />
foreign policy crew plunging us into the Iraq/Afghanistan imbroglio, trashing the Constitution<br />
along the way.  Both examples flowed largely from a monumental arrogance refusing to admit<br />
even the possibility of error or mistake.</p>
<p>That  is the regrettable core of elitism. The elitist through education or other avenues comes<br />
to believe that human frailties, biases, and limits to understanding don&#8217;t really apply to him<br />
or her. Again, I don&#8217;t believe that either liberals or conservatives have cornered the market<br />
on this particularly dangerous habit of mind, although as a liberal I think the conservative<br />
variety of elitism has generally been more iniquitious in recent years, but that is another<br />
subject.</p>
<p>So when anyone advocates government by elites, alarm bells should be going off.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing very
earthshaking. Just good practical stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing very<br />
earthshaking. Just good practical stuff.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 1942 Prediction: Liberalism to replace Capitalism by The BoBo Carnival of Politics - September 27, 2009 Edition &#124; The BoBo Files</title>
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		<dc:creator>The BoBo Carnival of Politics - September 27, 2009 Edition &#124; The BoBo Files</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] presents 1942 Prediction: Liberalism to replace Capitalism :: Honest Inquiry posted at Honest [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Is &#8220;end of life care&#8221; pro end of life? by Honest Inquiry &#187; Healthcare &#187; The Way We Die Now</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honest Inquiry &#187; Healthcare &#187; The Way We Die Now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of life?  Britian&#8217;s experience is that state control diminishes individual freedom, with horrifying consequences at end of life.    Post Published: 24 September 2009 Author: Everett Found in section: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of life?  Britian&#8217;s experience is that state control diminishes individual freedom, with horrifying consequences at end of life.    Post Published: 24 September 2009 Author: Everett Found in section: [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on What does your moral compass say? by Everett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Everett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.  Found this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.givinginstitute.org/resourcelibrary/pdfs/Stick_to_Your_Plans.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2009 article regarding charitable giving&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;Another reason to take heart right now is a recent report by Giving USA Foundation, “Giving During Recessions and Economic Slowdowns.” The report looked at charitable giving during each recession between 1967 and 2007. It found that in every year but one, total giving in current dollars has risen. The exception was 1987, when a change to a tax law the previous year prompted some people to give early.&quot;

As to trusting the private sector vs. the public sector, curious on your thoughts regarding the earlier posts, &lt;a href=&quot;http://honestinquiry.com/?p=44&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is end of life planning pro end of life&lt;/a&gt;?, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://honestinquiry.com/?p=68&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wouldn&#039;t this be NICE&lt;/a&gt;?  When the public sector actor executes his pledge to act in the common good, who&#039;s definition of common good is he executing?   Is it in the common good to defend life and prevent abortion, or is it in the common good to defend choice and allow abortion?  As all such questions can&#039;t possibly be answered, the health care legislation is riddled with mandates to newly created agencies to &quot;do good&quot;.  The dangers of such ambiguous legislation are noted &lt;a href=&quot;http://honestinquiry.com/?p=61&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  

As to health insurance, perhaps your economist friend can help us understand the vilification of the industry.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/US/healthcare031020_poll.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ABC reports &lt;/a&gt;&quot;Among insured Americans, 82 percent rate their health coverage positively. Among insured people who&#039;ve experienced a serious or chronic illness or injury in their family in the last year, an enormous 91 percent are satisfied with their care, and 86 percent are satisfied with their coverage.&quot;  &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090823/BIZ/908230301&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Forbes &lt;/a&gt;tell us the health insurance industry ranks a lowly 35th in profit margins, a very small 2.2%.  

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/18/opinion/18brooks.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Great article &lt;/a&gt;by David Brooks, thanks for the reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.  Found this <a href="http://www.givinginstitute.org/resourcelibrary/pdfs/Stick_to_Your_Plans.pdf" rel="nofollow">2009 article regarding charitable giving</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;Another reason to take heart right now is a recent report by Giving USA Foundation, “Giving During Recessions and Economic Slowdowns.” The report looked at charitable giving during each recession between 1967 and 2007. It found that in every year but one, total giving in current dollars has risen. The exception was 1987, when a change to a tax law the previous year prompted some people to give early.&#8221;</p>
<p>As to trusting the private sector vs. the public sector, curious on your thoughts regarding the earlier posts, <a href="http://honestinquiry.com/?p=44" rel="nofollow">Is end of life planning pro end of life</a>?, and <a href="http://honestinquiry.com/?p=68" rel="nofollow">Wouldn&#8217;t this be NICE</a>?  When the public sector actor executes his pledge to act in the common good, who&#8217;s definition of common good is he executing?   Is it in the common good to defend life and prevent abortion, or is it in the common good to defend choice and allow abortion?  As all such questions can&#8217;t possibly be answered, the health care legislation is riddled with mandates to newly created agencies to &#8220;do good&#8221;.  The dangers of such ambiguous legislation are noted <a href="http://honestinquiry.com/?p=61" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  </p>
<p>As to health insurance, perhaps your economist friend can help us understand the vilification of the industry.  <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/US/healthcare031020_poll.html" rel="nofollow">ABC reports </a>&#8220;Among insured Americans, 82 percent rate their health coverage positively. Among insured people who&#8217;ve experienced a serious or chronic illness or injury in their family in the last year, an enormous 91 percent are satisfied with their care, and 86 percent are satisfied with their coverage.&#8221;  <a href="http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090823/BIZ/908230301" rel="nofollow">Forbes </a>tell us the health insurance industry ranks a lowly 35th in profit margins, a very small 2.2%.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/18/opinion/18brooks.html" rel="nofollow">Great article </a>by David Brooks, thanks for the reference.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rapping Joe&#8217;s knuckles by Everett</title>
		<link>http://honestinquiry.com/rapping-joes-knuckles/comment-page-1/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Everett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joanne Freeman, Professor of History at Yale, makes an outstanding case for why Rep. Wilson should apologize to congress specifically in an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/19/opinion/19freeman.html?_r=1&amp;adxnnl=1&amp;adxnnlx=1253383254-MPpXRxGdnGBnap7DTQDPNw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NYT Op piece&lt;/a&gt;.  Here are excerpts:

&quot;Congressional insults — and apologies — had their heyday in the first half of the 19th century...Men pulled knives and guns on one another. There were shoving matches and canings...Occasionally there was a grand melee with dozens of congressmen pummeling one another, emerging after a few minutes of mayhem with torn clothing, assorted bumps and bruises, and toupees askew. Not surprisingly, accompanying all of this tumbling and punching was a slew of insults. 

Most powerful of them all was “the lie direct.” According to the formal code of honor then in play, a man who didn’t keep his word was no man at all, so there could be only one response to such a charge: a duel (or very careful negotiations to avoid one). For that very reason, “throwing the lie” was a handy strategy in Congressional debate. The gasp-inducing drama of the moment was precisely the point. Nothing called an audience to attention as quickly as the threat of gunplay. Whether one was trying to attract attention from the press, derail a debate or humiliate an opponent, the lie direct was a grand slam in the game of politicking.

But untarnished victory required one final step: an immediate apology to the House or Senate — delivered on the floor. In part, this was the logic of the code of honor. The only way to offset a public insult was with a public apology; the audience that had witnessed the insult needed to witness the making of amends. And when a combatant voluntarily apologized as soon as a fight was reconciled, he prevented the opposition from milking his misbehavior for partisan gain. 

No one assumed that such apologies were heartfelt...Even so, these apologies meant something. By publicly apologizing to his colleagues, a congressman not only paid obeisance to the dignity and order of the House or Senate, but he also upheld the civility of Congressional proceedings as a whole.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joanne Freeman, Professor of History at Yale, makes an outstanding case for why Rep. Wilson should apologize to congress specifically in an <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/19/opinion/19freeman.html?_r=1&#038;adxnnl=1&#038;adxnnlx=1253383254-MPpXRxGdnGBnap7DTQDPNw" rel="nofollow">NYT Op piece</a>.  Here are excerpts:</p>
<p>&#8220;Congressional insults — and apologies — had their heyday in the first half of the 19th century&#8230;Men pulled knives and guns on one another. There were shoving matches and canings&#8230;Occasionally there was a grand melee with dozens of congressmen pummeling one another, emerging after a few minutes of mayhem with torn clothing, assorted bumps and bruises, and toupees askew. Not surprisingly, accompanying all of this tumbling and punching was a slew of insults. </p>
<p>Most powerful of them all was “the lie direct.” According to the formal code of honor then in play, a man who didn’t keep his word was no man at all, so there could be only one response to such a charge: a duel (or very careful negotiations to avoid one). For that very reason, “throwing the lie” was a handy strategy in Congressional debate. The gasp-inducing drama of the moment was precisely the point. Nothing called an audience to attention as quickly as the threat of gunplay. Whether one was trying to attract attention from the press, derail a debate or humiliate an opponent, the lie direct was a grand slam in the game of politicking.</p>
<p>But untarnished victory required one final step: an immediate apology to the House or Senate — delivered on the floor. In part, this was the logic of the code of honor. The only way to offset a public insult was with a public apology; the audience that had witnessed the insult needed to witness the making of amends. And when a combatant voluntarily apologized as soon as a fight was reconciled, he prevented the opposition from milking his misbehavior for partisan gain. </p>
<p>No one assumed that such apologies were heartfelt&#8230;Even so, these apologies meant something. By publicly apologizing to his colleagues, a congressman not only paid obeisance to the dignity and order of the House or Senate, but he also upheld the civility of Congressional proceedings as a whole.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are we born Liberal? by Everett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Everett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To quote Haidt further:

&quot;In the psychological community, where almost all of us are politically liberal, our diagnosis of conservatism gives us the additional pleasure of shared righteous anger...But how can Democrats learn to see—let alone respect—a moral order they regard as narrow-minded, racist, and dumb? [that edit is a fairly big jump in the text]

In several large internet surveys, my collaborators Jesse Graham, Brian Nosek and I have found that people who call themselves strongly liberal endorse statements related to the harm/care and fairness/reciprocity foundations, and they largely reject statements related to ingroup/loyalty, authority/respect, and purity/sanctity. People who call themselves strongly conservative, in contrast, endorse statements related to all five foundations more or less equally. (You can test yourself at www.YourMorals.org.) We think of the moral mind as being like an audio equalizer, with five slider switches for different parts of the moral spectrum. Democrats generally use a much smaller part of the spectrum than do Republicans. The resulting music may sound beautiful to other Democrats, but it sounds thin and incomplete to many of the swing voters that left the party in the 1980s...&quot;

Pretty clear who the Professors regards as &quot;narrow-minded&quot;.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To quote Haidt further:</p>
<p>&#8220;In the psychological community, where almost all of us are politically liberal, our diagnosis of conservatism gives us the additional pleasure of shared righteous anger&#8230;But how can Democrats learn to see—let alone respect—a moral order they regard as narrow-minded, racist, and dumb? [that edit is a fairly big jump in the text]</p>
<p>In several large internet surveys, my collaborators Jesse Graham, Brian Nosek and I have found that people who call themselves strongly liberal endorse statements related to the harm/care and fairness/reciprocity foundations, and they largely reject statements related to ingroup/loyalty, authority/respect, and purity/sanctity. People who call themselves strongly conservative, in contrast, endorse statements related to all five foundations more or less equally. (You can test yourself at <a href="http://www.YourMorals.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.YourMorals.org</a>.) We think of the moral mind as being like an audio equalizer, with five slider switches for different parts of the moral spectrum. Democrats generally use a much smaller part of the spectrum than do Republicans. The resulting music may sound beautiful to other Democrats, but it sounds thin and incomplete to many of the swing voters that left the party in the 1980s&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Pretty clear who the Professors regards as &#8220;narrow-minded&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are we born Liberal? by Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My liberal  (don&#039;t know about complex and dextorous) brain hesitates over &quot;simple moral points.&quot;  The liberal view
is that the noble, sanctified life is implicit is treating one another well--almost in a tautological way. But no: 
religious conservatives claim a sanctitiy dependent on judgment, rejecting those actors and actions involved
with homosexuality, abortion,etc.  So the simple moral points are caught in a nexus between compassionate
inclusion on one had and judgmental exclusion on the other. Liberals would of course say that the road from
judgmental exclusion leads towards intolerance and worse.

Liberals can&#039;t  be too sanguine, though, because an overemphasis on respect and compassion can result in
a quagmire of moral relativisim where standards fall to confusion and chaos. So.  Liberals need to acknowledge
that morality is dependent  on institutional authority and constraints, conservatives should acknowledge that
such authority and constraints should be hedged about with tolerance  and skepticism. A truism, but a truism
with a utopian tinge and therefore forever receding over the horizon.

Where am I going with this? I don&#039;t know. Maybe that where morality is concerned there really are no liberals, or
conservatives, but only an ongoing struggle over a liberal/conservative dynamic always tending toward a muddle,
or middle. At any rate, I think we shoud be wary over neat liberal/categoies in the moral sphere, which may be
germaine to Haidt&#039;s argument.

Of course I have&#039;nt yet read the article. If these comments don&#039;t apply, please cancel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My liberal  (don&#8217;t know about complex and dextorous) brain hesitates over &#8220;simple moral points.&#8221;  The liberal view<br />
is that the noble, sanctified life is implicit is treating one another well&#8211;almost in a tautological way. But no:<br />
religious conservatives claim a sanctitiy dependent on judgment, rejecting those actors and actions involved<br />
with homosexuality, abortion,etc.  So the simple moral points are caught in a nexus between compassionate<br />
inclusion on one had and judgmental exclusion on the other. Liberals would of course say that the road from<br />
judgmental exclusion leads towards intolerance and worse.</p>
<p>Liberals can&#8217;t  be too sanguine, though, because an overemphasis on respect and compassion can result in<br />
a quagmire of moral relativisim where standards fall to confusion and chaos. So.  Liberals need to acknowledge<br />
that morality is dependent  on institutional authority and constraints, conservatives should acknowledge that<br />
such authority and constraints should be hedged about with tolerance  and skepticism. A truism, but a truism<br />
with a utopian tinge and therefore forever receding over the horizon.</p>
<p>Where am I going with this? I don&#8217;t know. Maybe that where morality is concerned there really are no liberals, or<br />
conservatives, but only an ongoing struggle over a liberal/conservative dynamic always tending toward a muddle,<br />
or middle. At any rate, I think we shoud be wary over neat liberal/categoies in the moral sphere, which may be<br />
germaine to Haidt&#8217;s argument.</p>
<p>Of course I have&#8217;nt yet read the article. If these comments don&#8217;t apply, please cancel.</p>
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